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O o o For someone who hasn't had the experience you've had, there's so much danger o f trying to make it happen. For example, you can sort o f bring the 'me' under observation and not work from it, but there’s actually nothing we can do to change things. It seems hopeless. It is hopeless. It's utterly and completely hopeless. It's even worse than hopeless - because hopeless in some way or other indicates that there might be somebody there who's hopeless. o o o It seems to me that you would like us all to be able to step free or however you'd describe it.

It's like a jump, a leap, a sudden seeing of something that was already known. ' And is that more likely to happen by virtue o f our coming here? I think in some ways what goes on here (and elsewhere) is that the mind comes in, as I said at the beginning, with the intention of getting something - and then realises that it's not going to get anything, because actually there's nothing being given. It goes on coming, still with the idea of getting something, and it doesn't get anything . . And it goes on and on until it just simply gives up.

There's nothing right or wrong with that - it's just that what you then have is a person who has a quieter mind. So how would it be different with zvhat you're describing? The idea of somebody having a quieter mind bears no relationship to awakening. There's no relevance; there's just no connection between the two. It's like therapy. You can go into therapy and forgive your mother, so then you're a person who's apparently forgiven their mother. Or you can go and meditate for years and have a quiet mind - then you're a person who apparently has a quieter mind.

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